Tuesday, November 19, 2013

sucking. objectively.

There are things which don't exist, but which never the less have objective standards by which to measure them. Morality, for example, doesn't exist. But if you're going to make a moral claim, then at the very least it has to apply to all people and at all times. Virtue doesn't exist, but if you're going to claim something is a virtue, it has to at least be independent of any value system.

I suspect that there are similar objective standards for evaluating aesthetic judgements. Not that I have a clue what they are, but there are things that I like and things that I don't and I want to be able to say why with something a little more powerful than, “because it's chic, darling.”

To that end, I'd like to say something insulting:

Modern soul music is ugly. It's structure is predictable and it's content is shallow. It sounds like Big Macs taste.

Hopefully you disagree with me. And hopefully, more importantly, you'll tell me why. For the sake of my own sanity, understand that the following two comments don't count:

“It's not ugly, it's just different.”

You're saying that ugliness doesn't exist. That anything that I perceive as ugly could be perceived as beautiful by someone else. But what you don't realize is that you're saying beauty doesn't exist either, because beauty is meaningless without ugliness. But you do believe in beauty. You're trying to save beauty while destroying ugliness, because you're afraid that your taste is ugly. You don't know why you prefer the things that you do, and you're embarrassed of them, so you spout the comforting mantra that there is no such thing as ugliness and assert the nonexistence of beauty by extension. In short, you're a coward.

“You're being ethnocentric”

You're saying that there are objective standards within cultures, but that there are no objective standards between cultures. You're saying that multiple mutually exclusive standards for evaluating beauty are simultaneously true. First, this is a contradiction. You are saying that standards of beauty are both absolute and relative. That is, that they both exist and don't exist simultaneously. Second, you make no argument to justify any of these claims. How do you know that objective standards exist? How do you know that they don't? How do you know that distinctions of culture have anything to do with it? In short, you're pretentious.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Beauty is the stuff made of ruffles of high thread count cotton and minor scales and local honey.

But seriously, beauty doesn't exist as an objective Platonic ideal either. It's maddeningly subjective. There's a few things that are pretty generally agreed on, like symmetry and golden rectangles and major chords and whatnot. I guess if you wanted to find something objective that'd be a good place to start.

Ben said...

Beauty reflects the best in humanity or nature, either realistically or metaphorically. Ugliness seeks to destroy, distort, and dehumanize. It is easier to find ugliness in our modern cities rather beauty because our ideals in society are not to become more human but to become something else either animal or intellect. Nature is our last oasis because it points us to something greater than ourselves. Beauty humbles us. Ugliness brings everything around us to our level. As the Greeks said beauty is sublime.

--Just my tired thoughts...

Ansible Blackwind said...

Actually, I figured this out recently. Beauty is evidence of virtue. Whatever your standards of evidence are. Whatever your beliefs about virtue are.

I find parking structures painfully beautiful. I see in them the studiousness, the craftsmanship, and the collective dedication to market processes that it took to achieve them.

So noticing what you see as beautiful is a useful guide to learning about yourself. It can help you learn learn your secret beliefs about what is virtuous and what counts as evidence.

Holy Crap! Back to our definition of love fight. Love is still an involuntary response to virtue, but there's no reason to impose courage as the only virtue. It makes more sense to say it's the involuntary response to virtue whatever your beliefs about virtue are. So again, it helps you learn what you believe is virtuous.